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Fox News Interview Church Agency Head In Choice of Clinton Attorney To Return Boy To Communism

From: Mark D. Tooley mtooley@ird-renew.org
To: 'John Warrener' jwarrene@surfsouth.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 2:12 PM
Subject: fassett on fox

News; International
 Interview With Thom Fassett
 Brit Hume

 Fox News: Special Report with Brit Hume
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 HUME: So how was former White House counsel Greg Craig chosen to represent Juan Miguel  Gonzalez? One man who's involved in the decision to hire Craig is Thom Fassett , general secretary  of the General Board of Church and Society, which is the international rights organization of the United  Methodist Church.

 And he is here to explain what happened and his organization's role.



 HUME: Now, tell me, how did it come about that Gregory Craig, who is very well known to people  here in Washington, ended up representing this man from Cuba ?

 FASSETT : Well, I think it's a fascinating story. The fact is that Joan Brown Campbell and I had a  long...

 HUME: Joan Brown Campbell is?

 FASSETT : Is the former general secretary of the National Council...

 HUME: Council of Churches.

 FASSETT : ... of Churches.

 HUME: And she's -- she was involved because?

 FASSETT : She was involved because we've had a long-standing relationship on -- in working on  issues related to Cuba . And so we were receiving gestures from the Cuba Council of Churches to  explore the possibility of providing legal counsel for Gregory Craig.

 HUME: Now, the Cuba Council of Churches was involved because -- because -- because the boy's  father's a parishioner down there?

 FASSETT : No, the Cuba Council of Churches is a representative organization, very much like the  National Council of Churches in the United States. And it's made up of members such as the  Methodist Church of Cuba ...

 HUME: Right.

 FASSETT : ... and the Presbyterian Church and others, and...

 HUME: Right. And is Juan Miguel Gonzalez a member of any of those churches?

 FASSETT : I understand that he's Catholic. Whether he's practicing or not, I don't know. But we have  a long-standing relationship with the Council of Churches in Cuba , and for the reasons of developing  churches, expanding our base memberships. We're the two fastest-growing churches in...

 HUME: Right. How's this lead to Mr. Craig?

 FASSETT : ... in Cuba . Well, it leads to Mr. Craig because it seemed that we were looking at a  situation where the United States and Cuba has no diplomatic relationship, so it was impossible for a  father of a child who was landing on the shores of the United States to have legal counsel, to have  equal representation under the laws of the United States.

 Joan and I looked about. We searched -- we consulted people on Capitol Hill. All paths led to Greg  Craig. Why? We needed somebody who was prestigious, somebody from a law firm that had a great  reputations, somebody who could be objective, someone who wasn't, so to speak, skewed ideologically  on the issue, and...

 HUME: Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. He's very close to -- to the -- to the Clintons.

 FASSETT : He defended the president in the impeachment hearings.

 HUME: Right. He defended the president and -- and -- I mean, do you have any reason to believe that  he is sympathetic to any of the views of the people in the Cuban-American community in Miami?

 FASSETT : Mr. Craig?

 HUME: Yeah.

 FASSETT : I think he's sympathetic singularly, as is Juan Miguel Gonzalez, to receiving the child back  for the father.

 HUME: Right.

 FASSETT : To the father. I think that's the singular objective that we've had all along.

 HUME: So -- and he was recommended to you by -- I've heard Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont  was involved.

 FASSETT : He was one among many who recommended. And we talked to Greg and...

 HUME: So you solicited -- he went to see him -- he didn't come -- I - - I had heard -- one account said  that he went to the National Council of Churches and volunteered his services.

 FASSETT : No, there are many -- there are many accounts of this...

 HUME: That's incorrect.

 FASSETT : I have accompanied every step of this journey, and so I'm bearing testimony to the fact  that we went to talk with Gregory Craig. He explored with his own colleagues. He said, "Yes, but let's  go to Cuba ."

 HUME: All right, now, how...

 FASSETT : "I need to talk to the"...

 HUME: ... is he being paid?

 FASSETT : He's being paid through a voluntary contributions fund set up by the executive committee  of the Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist Church.

 HUME: That's your group.

 FASSETT : And that's us.

 HUME: Now, you -- and funds are solicited from whom for -- for...

 FASSETT : The fund's a voluntary fund. People are calling up and...

 HUME: I know, but...

 FASSETT : ... and they're making contributions.

 HUME: But how do you make known that it exists and...

 FASSETT : Well, the press have done a very good job of this. We initially set it up at the request of  persons who wanted to contribute funds in order to help in this effort.

 HUME: Now, are you able to identify any contributors?

 FASSETT : We don't -- we don't identify contributors. We don't -- it's like the battles we've fought in  Congress not to open up church rolls.

 HUME: Right.

 FASSETT : It's an issue of church and state.

 HUME: Right. Now, is there a mechanism by which you, as a representative of a Methodist  organization, receive the endorsement of Methodists around the country for your operations and  actions and policies?

 FASSETT : We're speaking for the General Board of Church and Society and not the United  Methodist Church.

 HUME: Well, it is...

 FASSETT : Our executive committee...

 HUME: ... the General Board of Church and Society of the Methodist...

 FASSETT : That is...

 HUME: ... the United Methodist Church, though, right?

 FASSETT : That is correct. And the General Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist  Church is given the mandates by the general conference, the legislative agency that meets every four  years, to implement the social principles of the United Methodist Church.

 HUME: And -- and those are arrived at by -- what role do the -- do Methodists nationwide...

 FASSETT : Methodists...

 HUME: ... have in -- in developing those policies?

 FASSETT : Methodists, United Methodists, in our quadrennial assemblies, are responsible for  establishing legislation and articulating the moral and ethical imperatives of the church.

 HUME: Right. But what role do ordinary Methodist parishioners who may be contributing to these  causes have in -- in determining them?

 FASSETT : We have a democratic system in the United Methodist Church for election of local  persons to conferences and persons from conferences being elected to jurisdictions, jurisdictions to the  general conference.

 HUME: So it's a -- it's a series of representative bodies that end up...

 FASSETT : Yes, it is...

 HUME: ... participating.

 FASSETT : ... and we have an international board of 63 members who provide the insights and the  guidance for implementing the mandates provided by the general conference.

 HUME: Now, is it troubling to you, as a man of faith, that in the country to -- from which Juan Miguel  Gonzalez comes, to which this little boy will return, that freedom of religion is not practiced?

 FASSETT : I have spent several hours negotiating with Fidel Castro myself. In fact, two years ago,  Joan Brown Campbell, the head of the Presbyterian Church and the AME Zions, negotiated with Fidel  Castro around principles of religious practice in Cuba .

 HUME: And?

 FASSETT : And we negotiated four -- five points for -- we went...

 HUME: Got to go.



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