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Is Communion Committee Headline That Far Off? - Readers Respond


Dear UCMPage.org Readers:

At the request of Bill Wells, a UCMPage.org reader, I changed the headline of the UMNS article #375 titled: "New committee digs into Holy Communion study".  The UCMPage headline was "UM Communion Theology To Be Changed - Will It Deny Christ's Atonement And Accommodate Homosexuality As Christian Lifestyle?"

As I have explained before, the UCMPage headlines are meant to be a commentary on the official story, uncovering what is not said by the UMNS which tends to have a liberal bias and agenda.  The story is in the names of the key players in the article which says much more than what is written.

John Warrener, Owner UCMPage.org

 

UM Communion Theology To Be Changed
Sky McCracken, OSL
sky@onemain.com
10-09-2001

John:

I don't know how in the heck you came up with your article title, "UM Communion Theology to be Changed - Will It Deny Christ's Atonement and Accommodate Homosexuality as Christian Lifestyle?"

Do you actually read these articles, do you like to stir the pot for aggravation's sake, or do you hope and pray that this is how it will be perceived?

I'm not quite sure what your mission is on this page. You're going to run into opposition on this one from very conservative and orthodox Wesleyans on this one.

Pax,

Sky+


UM Communion Theology to be Changed
James Gibson
osjude@attglobal.net
10-09-2001

The prominence of Gayle Felton in this article makes it easy to see why one would fear a pro-homosexual, anti-atonement bias on the committee studying United Methodist eucharistic beliefs and practices. However, nothing in the article suggests any such bias.

What is clear, or at least will be as this study unfolds, is the failure of UM "renewal groups" to address our theological crisis holistically. I do not recognize the name of a single "evangelical" on the committee, at least not one actively involved in renewal efforts. This is not surprising. Sacramental theology has not been a priority within the renewal community, except for a few ill-informed efforts to prevent a slide toward "sacerdotalism," a term many evangelicals apply with reckless abandon to anything and everything associated with a "high" view of the sacraments.

Wesley, in continuity with Anglo/Catholic/Orthodox tradition, recognized the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Such a view brings to the Lord's Table a profoundly eschatological significance which has been all but lost on modern-day churchgoers who have been misinformed by numerous popular, but tragically heterodox, teachings.

On a positive note, this study may expose the heterodoxy of those of a more liberal bent, as well. Sacramental and liturgical language has been a favorite hiding place for apostasy for many years. Perhaps this study will help make more clear the distinction between the true saints and the false prophets. If that should prove to be the case, then the UMC, as well as the Church Universal, will view this study as having been well worth the effort.


From: Michael L. Gonzalez GonzoML@ameritech.net
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:28 PM
To: Warrener, John
Subject: UMNS#375 New Holy Communion study committee

http://umns.umc.org/01/sep/375.htm

Note this name (excerpt from article):

The Rev. Ed Phillips, a faculty member at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary in Evanston, Ill., is the chairman of the new committee.

Ed, along with Stephen Long, also from Garrett (who wrote a scathing letter to sprague after his arrests at GC2000 http://ucmpage.org/sprague/dlong.htm) are teaming up to lead a long-planned seminar in the Northern Illinois Conference. The seminar is an effort by the evangelical association in the NIC to educate this conference on the Truth of Christianity, and thus refute the Jesus Seminar (especially Marcus Borg) influence prevalent in the NIC. It didn't take any arm twisting to get Ed and Steve to stand up and defend the faith (they were both VERY eager).

The seminar announcement: http://www.gbgm-umc.org/nillconf/Calendar.htm#mjaws

Concerning the UMNS article, it should be interesting to see what comes out of the committee being chaired by Ed. I image he's much outnumbered by the liberals, and so the best he might accomplish is "grid lock."


UM Communion Theology To Be Changed - Will It Deny Christ's Atonement And Accommodate Homosexuality As Christian Lifestyle?
John Warrener
jwarrene@ucmpage.org
08-09-2001

I suspect the Communion Study and subsequent changes will be like "By Water and the Spirit", the baptism document, which is patterned after the pro-homosexuality book "We Were Baptized, Too!" When the baptism amendment passes the homosexuality UMs will overcome a constitutional objection by using membership by baptism, thus fitness for ordination of practicing homosexuals. I suspect the re-interpretation of Communion will follow the same re-imagined path which the current apostate leadership is taking the UMC regardless of any efforts to return to the Wesleyan heritage we share. Watch what happens with the baptism amendment. Then, you will understand what will happen to the other sacrament when Felton and her crew of liberals are involved.

Love in Christ,

John Warrener UCMPage.org


From: Bill Wells billw@chartertn.net
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:00 PM
To: jwarrene@ucmpage.org
Subject: Title

Dear John:

A few years ago I had a church member tell me she liked most of what I did but to be honest she didn't like the way I did healing services on Sunday nights. I replied: "I'm not too fond of the way I do them either. Do you have any suggestions as to how I might make them more effective?"

Well, now you've turned the tables on me. O. K., how about a simple title that captures the sense of the article, such as: "New Committee Begins Search for Common Ground on Holy Communion - Church Input to be Invited."

Yours in Him,

Bill

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