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Punitive Move Without Consultation More About Power Than Faithfulness, Says Local Church Leader


From: CornersUMC@aol.com
To: ucmpage@ucmpage.org
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:50 AM
Subject: Punitive Move Without Consultation More About Power Than Faithfulness Says Local Church Leader

Dear John,

It seems that the punitive, vengeful acts of Bishop Talbert are a direct result of the events of GC2000. The heretical and schismatic fringe of the UMC was repudiated in every area dear to them. There was "war in heaven" and now those powerful personages who lost their claim to exalt themselves above everything that is called God have been cast down. Thinking along these lines, the Holy Spirit reminded me of this passage from the Apocalypse.

And war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, but they were defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, proclaiming, "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Messiah, for the accuser of our comrades has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. But they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they did not cling to life even in the face of death. Rejoice then, you heavens and those who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, for the devil has come down to you with great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!" (Revelation 12:7-12 NRSV)

The principles involved here seem to me to apply to the situation we saw at GC2000:

  1. Those opposed to God amass a force of 1/3 of the host of heaven (familiar number!).

  2. There is war in heaven and the rebel forces are defeated.

  3. The leadership of this rebellion returns to what little domain is left to him and proceeds to exact vengence on the faithful because of his great wrath and the knowledge that his time is short.

I am praying for Kyle Phillips and all the faithful of CAL/NEV who must endure the wrath of the episcopal leader who has seen his rebellion repudiated by the whole church.

Faithfully,

Ben Sharpe OSMA


From: Laufferc266@cs.com
To: ucmpage@ucmpage.org
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: Punitive Move Without Consultation More About Power Than Faithfulness Says Local Church Leader

John,

David Boyce seems to be an astute leader. I hope the congregation walks out in mass and chooses Kyle as their pastor.

Dan Lauffer


From: Martin Corie
To: ucmpage@ucmpage.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 1:56 AM
Subject: Punitive Move Without Consultation More About Power Than Faithfulness, Says Local Church Leader

Praise God for the courage and honesty exhibited by David Boyce and the PPRC of Kyle Phillips church in California. In the estimation of many right-thinkers, talbert is a prime candidate for a trip to the WOODSHED for a severe thrashing. Boyce has accurately named talbert's arrogance in the "dismissal of charges" fiasco in February. I pray God bring down this power-crazed bishop before other churches and pastors suffer such an unwarranted attack from his chair.

Martin Wesley Corie
Elder, Louisiana Conference

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