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Local Church and Remnant Evangelical Fellowship Seek Ways To Live Peacefully Under Cal/Nev Homosexual Tent

From: CircRider@aol.com
To: jwarrene@surfsouth.com
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:03 PM
Subject: On Aldersgate & Trico UMC's "reuniting"..............

Charles and others in your recent mailing:

It is a most tragic happening that those claiming to be "evangelical" have been baited into "dialogue" as a supposed way of reaching an "understanding" in the same gender coupling issue!

See what has been happening to put pressure on the evangelicals to enter into dialogue at http://www.crrange.com/dialog.html

AOL users click on <A HREF="http://www.crrange.com/dialog.html">About This Dialog Thing!</A>

We have reached or are about to reach a pandemic condition on this issue, with one main factor being too many bishops going along and giving their sanction to same gender coupling! It is likely more will jump on the band wagon as we move toward GC2004 in Pittsburgh PA!

Check out http://www.crrange.com/endorse.html

AOL users click on <A HREF="http://www.crrange.com/endorse.html">UMC Episcopal Endorsement of Same Gender Coupling!</A>

What far too many fail to realize is that we are at war, as unpleasant as that reality is! The approach taken by these certainly will not allow them to say as did the apostle Paul near the end of his life -- "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith."

It is my understanding that when you "fight a good fight" you have been involved in some kind of conflict along the way, or have the "revisionists" of the day changed that also?

Still contending (John 15:16; Jeremiah 15:17; Jude 3,4)
Clayton D. Harriger
Elder in Full Connection, W. Pennsylvania Annual Conference, UMC
Web Site:  <A HREF="http://www.crrange.com">Circuit Rider's Range</A>  at:
See a "shocker" --  <A HREF="http://www.crrange.com/denied.html">Justice
Denied!</A> at: http://www.crrange.com/denied.html

From: CANDLC@cs.com
To: jwarrene@surfsouth.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:41
PM Subject: (no subject)

Efforts to reunite Aldersgate and Trinity Churches in Chico, California may prove to be either bane or blessing. Some are hoping the dialogue will presage similar talks between the small evangelical and large liberal factions of the entire conference. The search for reconciliation, on the surface, seems so in keeping with Christ's teachings.

The straw that broke the camel's back was whether we can have individuals who practice same-gender sodomy serving in places of authority or teaching that that the practice should no longer be regarded as sinful. (A personal note: the thorny part for me is not whether we must be reconciled to sodomy, or whether sodomites can be transformed, but the devastating effect our apparent "mootness" is having on children and youth, with literally thousands joining the ranks of "the gay community" every month.)

Repeatedly the General Conference has made clear what United Methodism's rules are in this regard. Those rules are acceptable to most of the members of Aldersgate, unacceptable to most Trinity members.

What doth it profit the Kingdom if the price of unity is the surrender of our disciplinary requirements?

Recognizing that I see through a glass darkly, are there factors, yea visions, that will give more clarity?

Charles F. Cooley
CANDLC2@juno.com  or CANDLC@cs.com

From: WSTPRKUMC@aol.com
To: jwarrene@surfsouth.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:39 PM
Subject: Sick and spent...


Let me get this straight: According to the Chico paper, there was a United Methodist family quarrel in Cal-Nevada...a lot of sour milk was spilled and a few family members alienated and a few bodies hidden...but now we are sick of strife and spent and ready to change identities and cooperate with a new bishop.

Go figure. Such a big fuss and so little substance--really?

Gary Starkey PNWAC

From: Charles F. Cooley candlc2@juno.com
To: RLKuyper@aol.com
Cc: jwarrene@surfsouth.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: Article in Chico Paper

Hello Bob,

You wrote: There is an encouraging article in the Chico, CA paper about the situation in our conference and efforts to bring Aldersgate UMC and Trinity UMC there together. Go to: http://chicoer.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2000/September/2-320-news1.txt

Have just read the article. It had a decidedly chilling effect on my spirit. The argument raging over those who have departed the denomination has seemed quite petty. I might have wished they could have remained longer to continue the struggle, a struggle I assumed you have intended to pursue with great vigor.

However, this article provides not even a hint of assurance that children will not be given very mixed signals about their sexuality. Unless Aldersgate can gain such assurance, it looks to me like an unwise reunion, and strengthens the case for those who have sought other pastures.

Charles F. Cooley

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